Notes · 2019
Short posts from LinkedIn and X.
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Look what I found in an ex-cinema now-theater!
@carol_osullivan
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Who knows, we might see one of these languages in a film too #L3AVT @trafilmproject
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The @guardian is preparing yet another article on "lost in translation". I suppose "nuances in communication" is not as fancy https://twitter.com/HkHumanities/status/1209081653789937664
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And to analyse the role of #pivotsubtitling non-English shows through English templates. https://twitter.com/dorrego/status/1207998881532907521
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Got to love the special treatment of #TheWitcher in #Polish: You can choose between three versions: #lektor and #dubbing and #subtitling. Way to go #Netflix!
Is this common @ASzarkowska @AnnaMJankowska @CatusGeekus ?
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Headline should be: "True meanings of words of emotion get lost in *bad* translations."
And what is "true" anyway?And why does "lost" seem to be the necessary collocation when "translation" is in a headline?
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So... when does the new decade start? (and who cares?)
"Using a modified Julian date, the 2020s will begin Jan. 1, 2021. But that is out of sync with common usage.
A decade in popular culture is not defined by... http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/72343738.cms -
"To chase the world, you need to grab global rights" for programming, say people in the know.
But you also need to invest in #localization and #AVT. It's quite surprising there there is no single mention thereof in analyses like this one.
Is it a secret? Or is it so obvious that goes without saying?
#Netflix #Amazon #Disney+
https://lnkd.in/ga5Aw5DNetflix shows off the numbers behind its global growth story for the first time
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To chase the world, you need to grab global rights for programming.
You also need to invest in #localization and #AVT. But no single mention thereof in analyses like this one.
Is it a secret or so obvious that goes without saying?
#Netflix #Amazon #Disney+
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An interesting (despite the terrible title) insight into how #multilingual films are sometimes made. @trafilmproject #L3AVT https://twitter.com/_nonducorduco_/status/1207227220172910594
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Just discovered this Online English collocation dictionary. Also available in Spanish, Italian, German and French.
https://inspirassion.com/en/metaphor/research -
In the series #OSaborDasMargaridas, if you choose"español de España - audio descriptivo" you get original dialogue in Galician mixed with Spanish #audiodescription. It should be mixed with #Spanish #dubbing, but I love they way I get to listen to both AD and #gallego. https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1206827067335225344
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#dubbing #AVT and marketing.
Netflix in 39 languages https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1206283482827128832 -
"Simultaneous speech translation (SST) enables interesting applications such as #subtitle translation for a live event or real-time video call translation. The goal of this task is to examine systems for translating audio speech in one language into text in the target language" https://twitter.com/AIatMeta/status/1206629945998544896
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Elliott Arndt, director of short #films, has aesthetic concerns about #subtitles: “I like to use them as a graphic element, as well as the usual informative tool, but sometimes I’d much rather do without and keep an unspoilt image".
#creativesubtitling
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Spain rules in #AVT publications. No surprises there 😁 https://t.co/wgBDf9t2tx
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I don't know of any other country where there are so many articles on #AVT as in Spain. @Untertitelforum, what about Germany?
#AVTheadlines https://twitter.com/fertradav/status/1206145501424443392 -
#13 is me in Paris trying to find Rue du Temple (Yep. So old that I travelled before Google maps) https://bit.ly/2PqwUtr
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#pivotsubtitling in festivals https://twitter.com/TraducArte/status/1205425167238868993
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This book is key reading for students and scholars in translation studies and humour studies. Can't wait to start reading. Congratulations Margherita Dore! https://www.facebook.com/stavroula.sokoli/posts/10212270078506428
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Call for Papers | NeTTT Conference https://nettt-conference.com/call-for-papers/?fbclid=IwAR0tuY-tYd1lu81XOwn9eQAcdmR9gfLMRu2weaoPb9zvS4h52Z1cA3ZLLBw
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Thank you, dear series producers, for that 5th season, I love the sense of continuity in my work!
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Already learning so much, and such great ideas! Thank you @ASzarkowska @RitiMenezes @ElenaDiGi @patiniotaki @YotaGeorg. https://twitter.com/ESIST_official/status/1201445935538229250
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Which book will you be carrying at @LMconference #LAM20? https://twitter.com/ABiesiedin/status/1201492642917486595
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Dubbing professionals feel their work hits the headlines only when something goes wrong.
#AVTheadlines https://twitter.com/13eLucky/status/1200911528549142528 -
Research on speed reading can always come in handy when researching #subtitling reading speeds
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191129-how-to-learn-to-speed-read?ocid=fbfut -
Very interesting discussions already!
#AVT teaching European Association for Studies in Screen Translation https://www.facebook.com/stavroula.sokoli/posts/10212200560608524 -
#Scorcese allegedly chose different voice actors for the Spanish #dubbing of Pacino & de Niro and #Netflix accepted. Some viewers were disappointed they didn't hear the voices with which they had associated the actors
#irishman #TheIrishman
#AVTheadlines
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Human translation vs Google Translate (Greek>English).
Real-life examples at the request of @MikelForcada
#NMT @MultiNmt
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In humanities we get a lot of studies and experiments with e.g. 10-30 users. And researchers do all kinds of #statistical analyses with these tiny samples. Is it like making astronomical observations with binoculars? "https://measuringu.com/small-n/
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At last. A thriller about translators.
https://youtu.be/FzGZb_IzaRA https://youtu.be/FzGZb_IzaRAAnd here's what a translator thinks of it
http://www.slate.fr/story/186863/les-traducteurs-film-regis-roinsard-lambert-wilson -
Off to Galway for a PhD viva on #AVT (#subtitling & #revoicing) in #LanguageLearning. Excited with the use of @ClipFlair, 5 years after project completion. Despite software soon to be outdated, the once innovative theoretical framework is becoming standard practice
Sunny as always! Such a lovely morning walk
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That third dubious column is serious Minority Report stuff https://t.co/SlfK7q0LhJ
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You may also need to look at the stereotypes created through films and series https://twitter.com/tonythorne007/status/1199302443177332738
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Is it possible to make #ΜΤ fun? It certainly would improve adoption by highly-skilled translators. Online platforms already have a nice design, but the attention is on usability.
But what is"fun" in #PEMT? https://twitter.com/JanPedersen1969/status/1199276702616170496 -
"A little hard to see with the city lights, but that w-shaped constellation is Cassiopea and she was the mother of Andromeda who's over there."
Translation:
"Look, pretty stars."
#L3AVT
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Nothing better than to start the day reading an excellent paper on #audiodescription by Nina Reviers and bumping into this
The concepts of redundancy, complementarity and contradiction among the AV text elements are so helpful for its translation. Good thing they are integrated in #AVT training courses.
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This was the #translators' search engine in 1987
(unmute to watch)
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If humans fail when translating via English, will engines perform better? The following issues are already pointed out in #pivotsubtitling by human translators.
Reviewing Google's Massively Multilingual #NeuralMachineTranslation https://twitter.com/modelfront/status/1149808374801977344 -
#AVTheadlines #subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/MereuKeating/status/1197847815420104704
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Wow. Things can be done, one person can make a change
@MPalmou @NStamatoulakis https://twitter.com/thricedotted/status/1193928787857039362 -
Texts for translation https://europa.eu/!XJ94HG
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"Over-delivering" means offering the client a text that exceeds their needs. When a rough translation is needed, do not spend time polishing the #MT output. #MTPE https://t.co/LOKcy7uU0j
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Una reflexión interesantísima sobre los acentos y las variantes lingüísticas por @bgatraducciones, #traductora de #doblaje: "No puedo evitar pensar en cómo habría sido #OrangeΙsΤheNewBlack si hubiera sido posible respetar todos estos aspectos que tan rico hacen el original". https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1196826207347781634
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"La decisión fue que los #acentos fueran mínimos, primero, por ahorro de costes y segundo, según contó la directora de #doblaje, porque añadir demasiados acentos 'ensucia' el sonido."
#L3AVT @trafilmproject @pzabalbe
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I tend to look up more often than I did when I started, and it's been a while. What happened? Was I a translator and have become a trainee? https://twitter.com/Scheherezade_SL/status/1196769582205349894
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Nice quizz by #TheNewYorkTimes to help us with our #streaming choices. I just wish there was a question on #localization and #accessibility. These are important factors for many people.
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I also tried it in #Greek, same results: intelligent is masculine, beautiful is feminine.
#GoogleTranslate #MT and #gender
@VMisiou @GouletiK https://twitter.com/_SheilaCastilho/status/1196724217909301248
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#creativesubtitling https://twitter.com/marvelsrunaways/status/1196488922311712768
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#GoogleTranslate mostly accurate in test with patient instructions. A small number of mistranslations could harm the patient. Most were due to grammar or typographical errors in the original English text that a human reader would have understood @MultiNmt
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Lesson of the day: If you feel wronged or harassed, talk to your friends/selected colleagues. Even if they don't have advice to give, just talking about it will give you a whole new perspective. The harasser will be exposed for what they are (you may pity them). So, talk!
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¿Algún experto en la comunicación no verbal que me pueda explicar esta foto para este tema? https://twitter.com/javmallo/status/1195625418101067778
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#TheClub is finally out! I had the honour to review the #Greek #subtitles done by a fantastic team and the chance to update my Mexican Spanish vocab with all the latest slang and swearwords 😀
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#CGI as used in #TheIrishman to de-age De Niro reminded me of #DeepFake. It was pretty noticeable, wasn't it?
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/martin-scorsese-the-irishman-cgi-make-up-robert-de-niro-al-pacino-a9154271.html -
Kino: Die Magie der Audiodeskription | ARTE https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/093529-000-A/kino-die-magie-der-audiodeskription/
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What a wondeful piece of news! Need to investigate how it works for users without a Greek keyboard https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1194577288886702080
The Cyrillic .ею extension has been available since June 2016
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[sees a new follower on Twitter]: How exciting! More interesting discussions!
[sees a new connection request on LinkedIn]: What on earth would someone with this profile want from me? -
All #Disney+ reviews I read today have one thing in common: not a single mention of #localization or #accessibility. Just some Dutch viewers' complaints about lagging #subtitles. Let's hope this will change soon.
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#Subtitles are currently offered in 16 languages on #Disney+ original content and four languages for other titles in the expansive library (English, Dutch, Spanish, & French). New languages will be added as the service expands to international markets. https://lnkd.in/dewRBgx
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OK. I love #podcasts and #audiobooks. But when I need to access a specific piece of information, I don't have 50 mins to spare (well, don't wanna). Been told I'm too old & hooked to the written word, & haven't mastered the skills for #skimlistening. Any techniques anybody?
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Research on reading habits in Greece
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Claim about #NMT: "the biggest bilingual datasets available are from official translations of government documents and religious texts".
Is that true? @MikelForcada? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/3-reasons-why-ai-wont-replace-human-translators-yet/ -
#PivotSubtitling and #SubtitlingTemplates anybody? https://twitter.com/estrans/status/1193275119977684992
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A great kick-off for @erasmusread19. Full of energy and ideas to promote reading communities among schools & families @EUErasmusPlus @sepiegob #ErasmusPlus
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This is too good!!
#MTpitfalls https://twitter.com/gamesl10n/status/1192470875800555521But it must be old. Google Translate does not do it anymore
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Check out the #acessibility section for all the story behind #Netflix and #subtitling
#subtitlingheadlines #AVTheadlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Netflix -
If you do research on offensive and #taboo language in #subtitling, this is the perfect material for you.
Would you follow Ivarsson & Carroll's guideline and tone swear words down (as they have a stronger impact when they are written)?
#SubtitlingCourseMaterial https://twitter.com/netflix/status/1191862741386039296 -
Indeed. What's wrong with "they"? https://twitter.com/VMisiou/status/1191396306868195329
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Up-to-date and comprehensive account of current #subtitling issues. Well done @Belen_Translate! https://twitter.com/Belen_Translate/status/1191379658736111616
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"No matter how much you love what you do, if you’re not making enough to live on it, you will end up resenting it."
Dear early career #translators and #subtitlers, pls print this, and put it on your wall. Lots of other good advice in the article. https://twitter.com/erik_hansson/status/1191992614955798528 -
I'll be travelling and attending a meeting so I won't be able to watch it live. But I'll try to follow #2019TEF so pls tweet away! https://twitter.com/translatores/status/1181203704122355713
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#CreativeSubtitling. A fascinating practice, where you can put all the wows and heys you think are important for your audience. The director/producers of the show are involved in the process, and check the final outcome. https://twitter.com/carol_osullivan/status/1184536302412320770
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A must-watch documentary https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/match-day
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Human-written text showed more variation in word usage and structure between back-translations than machine-translated text. The more times a text was machine-translated, the more similar the back-translation was to the original
#MTdetection @MultiNmt
https://slator.com/academia/researchers-propose-new-way-to-detect-machine-translation-maybe-google-could-use-it/ -
Another issue when #subtitling from #templates is the bigger gap between original and translation resulting from the cumulative difference in levels. Say a taboo word may become much stronger (or weaker) because the template used a slightly different level.
Example: ST=slightly informal > Template=slightly formal > TT=quite formal
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#CreativeSubtitling? Or #captions specially designed for smartwatch use? Inspired by Kindle Word Runner?
(Thanks @LexaOliveraSmit!) https://twitter.com/Ash_Stewart_/status/1190889315074752512 -
"In Europe, generally only shows intended for children will be dubbed, while movies for older audiences use #subtitles." Two exceptions mentioned: Russia & Germany. Spain & Italy are too insignificant to mention 😂 https://twitter.com/LeagueEurasian/status/1190554142881779713
Learned a new term: UN-Style Voice Over. @ASzarkowska do you use it?
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Learning languages through dubbing. The 7-year-old has decided to watch the same episode of Gormiti in Greek and Spanish. Repeats a word and tries to guess what it means.
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I've installed Google Translate and Live Transcibe and feel like I've sold my soul to the devil. They are amazing and free.
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Another hobbyhorse that's been there for a while, but found it's way to my top ones, thanks to @MultiNmt #MachineTranslation training for multilingual citizens: #MTBestPractices
And, of course, its use in Audiovisual Translation: #MTinAVT
and in Language Learning: #MTinFLL https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1159090449359024128 -
#MachineTranslation and legislation.
#MTBestPractices @MultiNmt
https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2019/10/29/cambodian-ministry-bans-use-of-google-translate-for-signboards -
#LAM20 abstract submitted in the nick of time, but I can't sleep with my fingers crossed, so I'll just hope for the best.
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Becoming aware that your tweets are used in articles is kinda weird. I had never googled my twitter handle before
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#MachineTranslation #MTstories #MTpitfalls @MultiNmt https://twitter.com/AnjaRuetten/status/1189836867048525825
@MikelForcada we need one or two hashtags re raising awareness on the use of MT. What do you think about the ones above? Is there a popular one you prefer?
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Very impressed by the @MultiNmt team. Not surprising, esp with researchers such as @othbcn @psgijon @MikelForcada @japer3z Dorothy Kenny, Caroline Rossi, @Prompsit @KantanMT. Looking forward to first results on #MachineTranslation awareness & training for #multilingual citizens https://twitter.com/MultiNmt/status/1189897550553370624
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Filantropía es un gran sustantivo, efectivamente. Pena que haya cambiado de significado https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10211998793444471/
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The girl sitting next to me on the train seems fascinated by my screen. I can't do my #subtitling task with her watching, so I'll try to finish that pending #LAM20 abstract instead [girl looks away haha]
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This begs the question: Should these needs be covered by the same set of #subtitles? And if you choose to include every exclamation to cover the need for "noisy environment", shouldn't other meaningful nonverbal sounds also be included? #subtitleomission #oversubtitling https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1189863996255551489
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According to #Netflix, #subtitles - or timed text, as they call them - "are needed not only to translate foreign language dialogue, and provide the deaf and hard of hearing access to content, but also to allow one to watch content in a noisy environment".
Language learning too!
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How cool is this having some results already? But don't be biased, speak your true mind 😁 One could argue that you prefer what you are used to. Good that you can crossreference dará in the end to check hypotheses https://twitter.com/ASzarkowska/status/1189786886128230400
Dará? Meant to say data. Serves me right for using the wrong keyboard
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#MT #MachineTranslation
@MultiNmt @othbcn @psgijon @MikelForcada https://twitter.com/AnthonyPym3/status/1189269399678734343 -
Watched a one-hour long discussion on Spanish TV explaining why thousands of protesters are called terrorists. Wasn't convinced. Feeling sad and increasingly worried
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-50232902#click=https://t.co/RhK6P4lIKk -
Yo no he visto casos así pero sí que corren el riesgo de perder la colaboración con el cliente https://twitter.com/Sagrario_B/status/1189757810906730497
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Subtitlers" chance to give their take on templates https://forms.gle/Xy5ty6yJT8S4gPAL9
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The situation in Catalunya is getting more surreal, more Orwellian. Every time I come back, I wonder what happened to the place I left 17 years ago
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#Subtitling #templates are an important aspect of our work. Here's our chance to say what we think about them @guillermosubs @itxan_79 @tradureyes @ATRAE_ORG @SusanaLoureiro3 https://twitter.com/ASzarkowska/status/1189575147558178818
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Or, as Dorothy Kenny puts it, "We know you're doing anyway, so let's do it safely" #MachineTranslation #MTpitfalls https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1189513084081192961
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A message to clients from translators: If you pay a professional #humantranslator, trust them more than you trust Google translate. Don't use it to check their work! Could @MultiNmt pls find a way to raise awareness and spread this message?
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Un gran placer y gran honor formar parte de esta tesis innovadora y muy interesante https://twitter.com/DTIEAO_UAB/status/1184723289563959296
*formar parte del tribunal
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Talking about the future of language and translation and inclusive language with @othbcn @Prompsit @MikelForcada @psgijon Dorothy Kenny, Caroline Rossi
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Los autónomos que trabajan de noche permanecerán desapercibidos 😁 https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1189076355419377664
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Útil, lógico, para el bien común, pero... ¿así no empezaba cierta novela clásica? A ver cómo reaccionarán los españoles
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Hey @LiteracyMachine and @MultiNmt, do you know each other? I think you have things in common so here's this tweet, just in case you don't.
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#MT Stories. Real people finding real uses for Google Translate and other MT tools
@MultiNmt
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Thrilled about tomorrow! Will be discussing the quality plan of the brand new and exciting @MultiNmt. Watch this space https://t.co/z7B1ugT6Lr
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Nice lady next to me on plane. Started a conversation, always nice to talk to strangers, one of the joys of travelling. Nice lady starts sniffling and coughing. End of politeness, scarf around my mouth and nose,. Fingers crossed
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A reflection on #untranslatability of words. Of course they can be translated, maybe not with a single word. Obviously, cultures have different neeeds and don't always create one specific word for a concept. Does it depend on usefulness/frequency of said concept? https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1188576104606396416
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If you are looking for an interesting topic for your research in #subtitling here is a cool one: the #resubtitling of Almodóvar's film. Why did they need new English subtitles? Were the previous ones wrong? Stylistic reasons? Timing? https://twitter.com/fxdurandy/status/1188698423614042113
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Demà vaig a Barcelona. Passaré els dos dies en reunions, però espero tenir una mica de temps per poder parlar amb un parell d'amics sobre el que està passant.
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Useful resourse for #subtitling
https://metro.co.uk/2016/10/02/swearing-ranked-from-mild-to-strongest-6165629/ -
On language variation
#L3AVT @pzabalbe -
I see lawmakers and I read lawnmowers. Every single time.
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The only way to get metrics out of Netflix is if a parliament asks for it.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/21/20924954/netflix-viewers-numbers-metrics-data-stranger-things-tuca-bertie-oa-renew-cancel -
My love for looking at graphs and bubbles was pretty rewarding today 🤓
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My Internet speed is 950Mbps. How FAST is your Internet? https://fast.com/en/share/950Mbps.html
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I don't know if I am a slow reader, but whenever I turn on English #subtitles on @Netflix, I soon turn them off. I feel I am constantly reading. Maybe my peripheral vision is not good enough to let me enjoy what's happening on other parts of the screen. #readingspeed https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1187299147440934912
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Reviewing dull, insipid #subtitles that, though not objectively wrong, are not doing justice to the brilliant, inventive, funny dialogue definitely lowers one's spirits
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Seems like a sound argument: "The hyperreality of the image had the countervailing effect of making everything else seem phony: the acting, the makeup, the sets, even the stunts and the CGI." https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1187287632138719232
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This idea that "translation [level one] changes words into another language" is one of the most widely-spread and the most misleading at the same time. I wish "experts" would stop spreading it.
#x8n #translationtheory https://twitter.com/VictoratALS/status/1186976459237351424 -
Never heard of a 3 hour long trailer before #DisneyPlus
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#Deluxe is hiring, so must be good news for the company.
#Respeaking #LiveSubtitling https://twitter.com/reelwordsedit/status/1186302975620329477 -
Spanish #AVT translators hitting the news
#subtitlingheadlines #AVTheadlines https://twitter.com/quicorb/status/1185823884416815105 -
#Translation people, any audiovisual essay written on #AVT? https://twitter.com/GouletiK/status/1185970903424872448
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¿Tan mal se han doblado estas series? Según Carlos Boyero: "antes, el #doblaje, siendo algo antinatural y un fraude, estaba más cuidado, podía desprender cierta veracidad. El actual es horroroso. Intenten escuchar en castellano series magistrales como The Wire y Los Soprano." https://twitter.com/el_pais/status/1185612323718754304
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So, @GouletiK, does it work? https://twitter.com/ticl_enl_auth/status/1185554811179229184
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Look forward to reading this "Argentina and Spain, from silent films and intertitles, to multiple language versions (made in Hollywood and Joinville), to dubbing and subtitling" https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14753820.2019.1605711
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Adding this documentary on #dubbing in my watchlist.
It was on Netflix until a couple of days ago, but I just discovered it 🙄
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When #interpreters hit the headlines.
(This time not about words and their translations)
#italianinterpreter https://twitter.com/jheil/status/1184544147207806976 -
Not many people use instant messaging (Skype, Whatsapp etc) as a continuous conversation. Is it rude when I respond to a quick question directly and not starting by "Good morning, hope you are doing well"?
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Wanna apply this to #subtitliing:
Two words are in the same subtitle unless there is some convincing reason to divide them 😅
#DarwinInSubtitling https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1184383334341906432 -
Greece | Index | 2019 | Gender Equality Index | European Institute for Gender Equality https://eige.europa.eu/gender-equality-index/2019/EL
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Personally, I don't translate from languages I don't speak: it's not worth the risk or the extra amount of work. But people do, and it's a reality in the #subtitling industry. Let's ask companies to improve their workflows. And the #template quality https://twitter.com/pizzaroquette/status/1183717686120980480
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Congrats S. Ameri and @MKhoshsaligheh! https://twitter.com/ESIST_official/status/1183693429672419329
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Here's an example of terrible timing in a #subtitling #template: The utterance lasts 2,5 seconds and there is no pause or shot change. The author does not know (or bother) to fit it in one subtitle and creates two, affecting readability in all languages.
Don't you think we should
stop playing games,just for a little while?
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If you need to know more about #KISS, ask a #subtitler 😉 https://twitter.com/translatores/status/1183388155296268288
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Tip for Greek, Spanish, French, German #subtitlers using an English template to translate from a language you don't speak: When the character says "Please drop the formal treatment", go back & check all the previous you's. They probably need to be "εσείς, usted, vous, Sie" 🙂
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Estos días estoy inundada de palabras y expresiones tipo chingón, pinche, chinga, qué pedo, güey, güero, carnal, neta, no mames, está chido. Me siento preparadísima para hacer amigos mexicanos.
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So it's my last day curating @translationtalk and I thought I'd share my workspace with you.
Hope you enjoyed this week as much as I did! See you on the other side 😀
Stavroula
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Dear subtitlers, please don't use the word "truncate" when talking about your work. #Subtitling is not about mutilating sentences. It's about condensing, writing in a short and succinct way
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The Chinese version vs the English one. Check out the subtitles in the end #L3AVT used for humour in non-fiction shows
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Yep. You get perfect spelling, excellent grammar but, hey, it says the opposite #NMT #PEMT https://twitter.com/dorrego/status/1182292986815766529
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#MT does not cope well with spelling mistakes. Tarjeta candelada becomes a candle card
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The year-long process the company undertook to #dub and adapt #Abominable for the #Chinese market included changing jokes and even the backstory of a character to make it more appealing to Chinese audiences
#dubbing #AVTheadlines https://twitter.com/fxdurandy/status/1181228663423025152 -
Hey, I'll be curating @translationtalk this week, super excited! Guess what the main subject matter will be 😉😁. Will you join me there?
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Not only excellent scholars organizing it (including Vilelmini Sosoni) but a great location too. Rhodes is the place to be in September 2020
https://nettt-conference.com/ https://nettt-conference.com/@VSosoni
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Interesting use of #damnu to protect viewers from sensitive content #fansubbing https://twitter.com/huang_boyi/status/1180089263158910976
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PEM PAT has just launched its #AudiovisualTranslation Working Group with the aim to ensure #AVT quality and improve AV translators' working conditions in #Greece. This is an open call to all #Greek professionals working in #subtitling, #dubbing, #audiodes…https://lnkd.in/g8ZTEga
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#Creativesubtitling is nothing new - as @carol_osullivan said recently https://youtu.be/5JS4rLQtmtA?t=118
@carol_osullivan Thank you @LauraMcLoughli1 !!
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I have trouble watching scenes portraying torture, gory violence, kids dying. And even if there is no dialogue to #subtitle, I still have to watch them and it hurts. My technique is to play the video on double speed. Would love to hear other #subtitlers coping methods
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Schizofrenia is when you are involved in updating/elaborating standard #subtitling guidelines and trying to promote #creativesubtitling at the same time.
in different contexts and working groups
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Do not ask #subtitlers and #freelancers to take part in video meetings. They don't want to show up in pyjamas and crazy hair, let alone the dirty kitchen background. Voice-only is fine.
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#LiveSubtitling and #Interpreters https://twitter.com/annasuadesvall/status/1179697241713455104
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Nice location too 😁 https://twitter.com/_SheilaCastilho/status/1179387489133514753
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Fellow #subtitlers, do you agree? https://twitter.com/carol_osullivan/status/1177944500360159233
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Congratulations to all Spanish #AVT award finalists and to @ATRAE_ORG for organising it! Way to go associations, keep up the good work and spread the word! @atav_pt @ataafr @Untertitelforum @teksterne https://twitter.com/guillermosubs/status/1177498780599349249
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Excellent advice for #subtitlers and all professionals writing dialogue for #AVT https://t.co/DlMlXTwMUp
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After finishing the conclusions for that long overdue article, time for an action film.
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Θα χαρούμε πολύ να σας δούμε! https://www.patrasevents.gr/article/438974-mia-ksexoristi-ekdilosi-tha-parousiastei-sto-arxeologiko-mouseio-patron
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A bit weird when they pay you to work for a product and then you have to pay for it. Shouldn't we get freebies? #translation #subtitling #AVT #gamelocalization
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Meanwhile, Language Learning with Netflix #LLN has added some features. At last there is a way to search words in #subtitles and see them in context! How cool is that for #subtitlers & researchers.
Another neat function is the bilingual print-out.
No comment from @Netflix yet.Other features, e.g. machine translation or saving words are available in the "pro" version ($4.99 a month)
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Indeed, we increasingly like to write about being #LostInTranslation
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#subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/fxdurandy/status/1176784496504561665
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Fascinating interview of a Spanish #dubbing actor. People in the street recognise his way of speaking (not his voice according to himself) and ask him about it. Goes to show how unusual it is?
https://www.diariodeibiza.es/cultura/2019/06/13/doblajes-busca-voz-bonita-parecida/1073024.html#AVTheadlines
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Help us suppprt Clipflair! https://github.com/Zoomicon/ClipFlair
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#NonProfessional but paid #subtitling by students mainly checking and correcting automatically generated subtitles.
No mention of training in the article.
#AmateurSubtitling https://www.teaching-matters-blog.ed.ac.uk/mini-series-student-subtitling-project-to-improve-accessibility-of-online-media-materials/With thanks to @Jossmo
@MargheDore25 @dorrego @rbanospi
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So, when a series gets lots of Emmy awards, in Spain they call the #AVT translator for an interview.
#subtitlingheadlines #AVTheadlines https://twitter.com/laventana/status/1176180487250989057 -
Don't know how they do it in Spain, but the visibility they give to #AVT is amazing. Is it all @ATRAE_ORG? Individual effort? Healthy envy, wish we had this too. https://twitter.com/danisole1978/status/1176172558716153857
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In India #subtitlers are considered members of the production team https://twitter.com/fxdurandy/status/1176092186464739328
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A distant dream for #subtitlers in most European languages. https://twitter.com/vivekranjit/status/1176090613004922881
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Yeah! Looking forward to reading more about #videogamelocalization this week! https://twitter.com/translationtalk/status/1176089174820175872
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Pregunta: "Háblame de tú" (esp. México) significa que quiere tutear, ¿verdad? @Sagrario_B ?
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Ευχαριστούμε το Patras Events! @3DLabProject https://www.patrasevents.gr/article/438973-europaikes-imeres-politistikis-klironomias-2019-sto-arxeologiko-mouseio-patron
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Ideas for #creativesubtitling can be drawn not only from original shows (e.g. Sherlock) but also from #SDH and #audiodescription practices and guidelines
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#yoga #exercise
Just 15 mins a day for starters
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And how to achieve that when it clashes with the creative intent? Say dialogue that's meant to be perceived as complex / sophisticated character etc? https://twitter.com/AngelaStarkmann/status/1174966325636022273
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I'm finding arguments in favour of #crrativesubtitling everyehere https://twitter.com/carol_osullivan/status/1175048423571111939
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June in Berlin anybody? https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10211741765898943/
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A new 2019 version would have about 800 subtitles, I bet you. E.g. Fresh Prince of Bell Air has double the subtitles in the current Greek Netflix version than when it was first aired in the '90s on TV. Big differences in #subtitle omission & distribution
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#creativesubtitling https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10211736281961848/
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Multilinguisme entre traductors. Fins i tot he escrit en grec, que no ho faig servir mai en Twitter. Malament. https://twitter.com/translationtalk/status/1174672285925609475
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What use are *any* subtitles that are too fast to read? Unless they are purposefully made so for a specific effect, say in #creativesubtitling? https://twitter.com/carol_osullivan/status/1174659889173598208
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Reception studies, such a tricky thing. We need to find what's best for viewers, but not based on opinions only. Preferences are often formed by habits, leaving little room for change
#creativesubtitling
#Intermedia2019Warsaw https://twitter.com/carol_osullivan/status/1174605579412803584 -
Excellent work with intralingual #subtitling at #Intermedia2019Warsaw. Congrats to the subtitlers and the organizing team!
@ASzarkowska@ASzarkowska They are perfectly synchronized with the video. Not sure how they've managed, but I suppose a 4 second lag in the video for the live streaming? So that the subtitles can catch up? Anyhow, well done
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Watching this speech is going to be obligatory in my #subtitling courses. Historical perspective is important for the present and the future of #AVT translators https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1174585898798895104
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Don't miss @carol_osullivan speaking right now https://youtu.be/SC8B4t11U9g https://twitter.com/AnnaMJankowska/status/1174582930175352833
Showing us that #creativesubtitling is not actually that a new idea
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¿Será gratis para los que han participado en el extensísimo cuestionario? https://twitter.com/TRAMA_UJI/status/1174223964283056128
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A ver, la serie que me ha tocado no es una maravilla, pero estoy aprendiendo un montón de español de México. Se dice "¿bueno?" al contestar al teléfono. Y claro, mucha chingada, ahorita, y muchos huevos
También, mucho güey, pincha de una cosa, chingo de otra cosa, chance = a lo mejor
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An excellent definition of #translation. But only in the academic sense (my world too). In the market, translation is what Google does. So you need to give it a different name. And then explain why clients need *you* to do that complex thing only a human can do (for now, at least https://twitter.com/pzabalbe/status/1173692222694408192
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Time for #creativesubtitling! https://twitter.com/UliNolte/status/1173498146388938752
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Se recomienda usar una palabra griega en vez de una inglesa, ¡guay! Qué raro que ανάληψη tenga otro significado en griego moderno (retirar dinero del banco) https://twitter.com/florecicadabril/status/1172854903296991232
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#FalseFriends: I'm reading this text written by a Spanish project manager describing the partners' communication strategy: "Finally, we pretend to use Adobe Connect".
Y yo el otro día hablando de lo embarazada que me sentí en una situación incómoda
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#MachineTranslation is OK but what about Machine Salvation?
For now, Mindar is not #AI-powered. It just recites the same preprogrammed sermon. But they plan to give it #MachineLearning capabilities for tailor feedback to worshippers’ spiritual problems. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/9/9/20851753/ai-religion-robot-priest-mindar-buddhism-christianity -
Find all about interlingual and intralingual live #subtitling with #respeaking. Live streaming available. Many thanks @ASzarkowska #ILSA project and #intermedia conference! https://twitter.com/ASzarkowska/status/1172393855980716032
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Αν σας ενδιαφέρει η δημιουργία Εργαστηρίων Τρισδιάστατης Εκτύπωσης μη χάσετε την εκδήλωση του 3DLab στο Αρχαιολογικό Μουσείο. http://tetartopress.gr/%CE%93%CE%B5%CE%B3%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%8C%CF%82/politismos-kai-nees-technologies-ekdilosi-sto-archaiologiko-moyseio-patras/
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Really excited there is Greek representation also at the EST board. Well done @Doctor_KouKy! https://twitter.com/estrans/status/1171503200823701511
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#BBC's #WorldOnFire: the first British drama to have a substantial proportion of its dialogue in #Polish. #L3AVT @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1171487199969177601
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One of the great challenges of a project is when you have meetings in stunning places
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I just did my first actual elevator pitch ever. Only three floors so I had one minute to explain the project. Cards were exchanged.
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Reminds me of a personal #LiveDubbing story. Will tell soon. "The film was screened at the prestigious London Film Festival in 1977 without subtitles. The screening was accompanied by English voice-over by actor Saeed Jaffrey, which the audience listened using their headphones." https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1170741601628499971
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Need to watch @pzabalbe @trafilmproject #multilingualseries #L3AVT https://twitter.com/AComasQuinn/status/1170029270787383297
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Nothing better than to see the outcome of your project still being used in class. Feeling grateful to the @EU_Commission's EACEA for funding @ClipFlair and looking forward to find a way to update and upgrade the tech behind it. https://twitter.com/alicia_sanchezr/status/1169261099243450368
@EU_Commission @ClipFlair @pzabalbe @Zoomicon
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Hilo interesante sobre la #subtitulación y los signos de puntuación. Llevo mucho tiempo pensando en el tema, pero es más fácil seguir las reglas de los textos escritos que proponer otra cosa. El artículo es muy interesante y hay más argumentos a favor de romper estas reglas. https://twitter.com/MarySuncheese/status/1169173264767340544
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Wonderful narration with sound effects and the works. After all that listening to synthetic voices, this is both soothing and delightful. #audiobooks https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00082zt
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ΟΧΙΙΙΙΙΙΙΙΙΙ
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Bringing @carol_osullivan in the loop. Oscars for subtitlers 1929? The category is not clear to me either @JanPedersen1969 https://twitter.com/fxdurandy/status/1168783878892531712
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How lovely, thank you @anna_matamala. Here are 6 more amazing women academics: on Twitter: @carol_osullivan @YotaGeorg @ASzarkowska @ElenaDiGi @AidaFranch @anjanamtejerina @MargheDore25 @rbanospi @Sere_Massidda @SerenellaZanot1 Not 6? Oh well... https://twitter.com/anna_matamala/status/1168870560870338561
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Hey, fellow #AVT researchers, if you do research on #SubtitlingTemplates for non-English shows, this CfP is for you. Would love to see more papers on this, both descriptive (templates here to stay) and prescriptive (why they should be avoided and ways to do it)
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Access to the stills and #subtitles of films and television programmes could be used to evaluate diversity schemes[...]To realise the potential of these new methods, we need to encourage creative organisations to securely share their non-confidential data
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Argh... I just rejected a job involving a very agreeable series. But the rate was not nearly as agreeable so... Hopefully I'm soon offered something equally nice - and better paid.
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When subtitlers are famous they also hit #subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1166710673100947456
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On #subtitling omission https://twitter.com/chrisdec71/status/1166240360672169986
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A great review of @Ooona13 #subtitling toolkit. The only thing I would add is that it allows you to work with your locally saved video file, as long as it's .mp4. I use Miro converter if the client's video is in another format. https://twitter.com/ATA_AVDivision/status/1164961809230704641
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Interesting thread on #MTPE. Unfortunately, no solutions suggested for fair rates (hourly being fair but no good for predicting final cost) nor any ideas on how translators can demand them. But main issues are clearly stated. https://t.co/PUqLd1WBZC
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An example of #L3AVT (Japanese) not meant to be understood by the audience, hence not translated following director's instructions
¡Gracias @askoknic!
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No es común que el director de una película (sobretodo de EEUU) tome decisiones sobre su #doblaje o #subtítulación
#AVT #dubbing #subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/fertradav/status/1162517186558255106 -
All the STEM hype is fine but philosophy is necessary too https://buff.ly/2Z7KU22
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#creativesubtitling https://youtu.be/8PVal8Fy7CM
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#Subtitling is teamwork. And if the subtitler appears in the credits, they should have the final say on the outcome. But the whole team should be credited anyway. Sometimes it's the reviewer who greatly improves the quality. https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1162002423189311488
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Too many articles on #dubbing forget to mention the translators. No wonder the audience thinks the voice actors are responsible for all the linguistic choices as well. https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1161546370752417795
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Old news with a new twist. Viewers - US and Brazilian this time - prefer #dubbing even if they say they prefer the original. #Netflix https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-s-global-reach-sparks-dubbing-revolution-public-demands-it-1229761
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When #subtitling and #L3AVT hit @TheSun headlines.
The decision not to subtitle Polish was taken to make the scene more threatening. But it seems some viewers were confused.
Thanks @reelwordsedit!
@trafilmproject
@pzabalbe
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An excellent article by a great colleague writing on #AVT in one of my favourite sites! #subtitling #dubbing https://twitter.com/dorrego/status/1159815289120407552
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The #subtitler;s adrenaline must have the shortest span of all. It's the rush you get while finishing off the perfect sentence, waiting to see if those last letters will cause a red alert or not.
Arghh what is that semicolon doing next to the subtitler? I need the edit function and I need it now.
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Δεν μπορώ να πω τίποτα https://twitter.com/NetflixGR/status/1158853416199655424
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I want a poster made with this. Not only about fansubbers but newbies too: "They want to translate everything. But the aim, when you #subtitle is to adapt the translation and make choices. Otherwise, the subtitles invade the screen and the viewer can no longer enjoy the image". https://twitter.com/reelwordsedit/status/1159453696981458945
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Norwegian #subtitlers are on a strike
(Yes, I used Google Translate)
Thanks @avteur & @teksterne
https://www.klassekampen.no/article/20190807/ARTICLE/190809978@avteur @teksterne And here's a human translation of the article:
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Dear Twitter friends, pls don't hesitate to tag me with interesting stuff. I'm especially into #subtitlingheadlines (news on #subtitling #dubbing and all #AVT modes) #L3AVT (foreign languages used in films) and #creativesubtitling (non-standard forms of presenting text on screen)
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Fascinating examples of #L3AVT especially when L2=L3 (French) @trafilmproject @pzabalbe https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1158910781964083201
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A fantastic project using #creativecaptioning & #audiodescription to enhance access to theatre. With all kinds of techniques I have imagined and more. Would hearing/non-blind audiences accept this kind of #subtitling for foreign films? #creativesubtitling
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Just got offered to review the Greek #subtitles of a #Catalan series! I know I will get impatient with the English template and pivot translation in general... But who cares? I just read that the series was written by students at the Universitat Pompeu Fabra
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I can't help smiling when I've been #subtitling series X for the past months and I come across "Breaking news: series X is coming back in September!"
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If you are into #TranslationStudies, the free Dictionary of Translation and Interpreting by John Laver and Ian Mason is for you.
Thanks to Anthony Pym for sharing https://www.academia.edu/37895948/DTI_final.docx https://www.academia.edu/37895948/DTI_final.docx -
Is there Socrates? Well, apparently, not in this pool
#philosophy vs #translationfail https://twitter.com/mabeltradu/status/1156833019161980929 -
Low quality #subtitles do not always hit the headlines. Wondering why @PrimeVideo does not invest in localization.
#subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/itxan_79/status/1156954969322459141 -
Mum, did I exist when I was in your belly or was I just cells?#PetrosQuestions #7yearolds
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Research on #dubbing #accents! Pls contribute to the survey.
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#Disney is famous for high-quality localization. Many of these ideas could be used in #creativesubtitling and not just in animation. https://youtu.be/FxzL7UYyAeg
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Friends are visiting next week, so I'll make sure to take them there. https://buff.ly/2LBZ8BW
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Anybody for #creativesubtitling? #creativecaptions https://twitter.com/theljcoleman/status/1154471867354238981
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Cuidado con las metáforas. A veces no funcionan. #doblaje #subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/atorrem/status/1154357775813812224
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Franco aprovechó del #doblaje pero no lo inventó, ¿verdad, @JorgeDiazCintas? https://twitter.com/andreapeal/status/1154467438337187840
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Why is it that wearing glasses makes you seem smart but wearing thick glasses makes you look like an idiot? #hypermetropia #hyperopia #no_contact_lenses
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Almost 100 years ago, when #intertitles also reflected emotions using, say, large fonts for a sense of urgency or fading fonts to simulate drowning. #creativesubtitling https://twitter.com/reelwordsedit/status/1153703967270068224
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I recall the term #dubbese used in #AVT textbooks. #Dubby in US English? https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1152493582487564289
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When feeling down, some people turn to cat videos to cheer up. Translators look at this
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Blockchain to combat misuse of deepfake videos https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/deepfake-technology-5-resources/
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Estimados españoles que viajáis por el extranjero. Hay mucha gente que habla vuestro idioma. No penséis que podéis hablar mal de los demás sin que os entiendan.
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I didn't know you could upload .srt #subtitle files on Twitter videos. Anybody tried it? Seems not all accounts have a Media Studio https://twitter.com/womenslibrary/status/1146747882613215239
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A film about audiivisual translation and censorship #avt #halfdubbing #revoicing #lektoring
https://www.netflix.com/title/80039422?s=a&trkid=13747225&t=twt
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Fascinating piece on film #subtitling #subtitlinghistory https://youtu.be/GEuv9qS_0Gs
@carol_osullivan 😍
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Is there one of those for Audiovisual Translation? #AVT @ESIST_official https://twitter.com/estrans/status/1148224311045611520
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One of the perks of #subtitling a Spanish show using an English pivot translation template, is that you get ideas on how to translate from both languages 😁
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Imagine that in each subtitle 🤣 https://twitter.com/AndrewBloch/status/1147158932516986881
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A veces haces una pausa de la serie de adolescentes que estás subtitulando y ¡zasca! https://twitter.com/MarOgea/status/1147794690630193152
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#Accessibility law violations taken to court in the US.
I wonder if bad #captions also get lawsuits.
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How long does #AmazonEcho keep voice recordings and transcripts of those recordings?
And, as CNET reported, the answer is: Forever.
Or, in official Amazon-speak:
We retain customers' voice recordings and transcripts until the customer chooses to delete them.
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Η μηχανική μάθηση στο FB! Δεν ξέρω τι τεστ κάνουν αλλά σήμερα αντί για εικόνες, βλέπω την περιγραφή τους. Γέμισε ο τοίχος μου με:
"Η εικόνα ίσως περιέχει: ωκεανός, ουρανός, υπαίθριες δραστηριότητες, φύση και... https://www.facebook.com/stavroula.sokoli/posts/10211319967314242
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Titled after the Phoenician name of Màlaga, this series will be very popular in Greece. #malaka https://variety.com/2019/tv/global/marc-vigil-globomedia-malaka-spain-series-1203123579/
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The session is recorded, if you missed it #MT #NeuralMT https://twitter.com/AnthonyPym3/status/1144527369035759616
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I urgently need to find 5 hours to watch this.
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Today was my first encounter with an MA thesis talking about #Roma #subtitles. In know there's more out there!
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In the age of #MT and #PEMT, now also affecting the #subtitling world, the most fair way of payment for linguists is per hour of work, instead of per minute of show. But vendors and content owners need to know these costs in advance. How can this be solved? #m4a8 https://twitter.com/AnnaMJankowska/status/1140925183060058113
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The Routledge Handbook of Translation and Pragmatics: 1st Edition (Hardback) - Routledge https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Handbook-of-Translation-and-Pragmatics-1st-Edition/Tipton-Desilla/p/book/9781138637290
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The title suggests it has to do with #L3AVT
Check it out @trafilmproject @pzabalbe https://twitter.com/ATA_AVDivision/status/1143952110352044032 -
Did I say I love subtitling Spanish shows? I love subtitling Spanish shows. The syntax and the structure is so much closer to Greek (compared to English). And it's music to my ears.
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"@netflix appears to be testing a pop-out player: lets users watch videos in a floating box that hovers above other windows & apps". #Subtitles are not yet available, but apart from font size I can't imagine them competing with all the other elements https://www.engadget.com/2019/06/21/netflix-testing-pop-out-player/
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Questions that only @netflix can answer: Do fans stop watching a show because they disagree with the retranslation? Or does viewership increase due to that discussion? I'd say that with quality #AVT viewers are likely to multiply - whether fans agree with new choices or not https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1142524627111071744
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The demand for different subtitle tracks depending on viewers' needs has been highlighted since the late '90s and the first #languagesmedia conferences. It has been technically easier to implement since the advent of OTT platforms in 2010s. But we still haven't seen it https://twitter.com/carol_osullivan/status/1142525556250107904
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II shared all of mine today! #m4a9 https://twitter.com/ReglindisDR/status/1142462742479196160
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Rubbing shoulders with eminent AVT scholars who happen to be amazing ladies @carol_osullivan @ephaistos75 @GabyScandura Valeria Giordano, Mary Caroll, @NTALAVAN, @patiniotaki, Marghe Dore, @YotaGeorg @JoseliaJneves Marie-Noelle Guillot
#m4a8
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How great is it to meet Twitter friends in person? From different corners of the world at #m4a8 @LexaOliveraSmit @iashay
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#L3AVT @trafilmproject @pzabalbe @guillermosubs https://twitter.com/errepoint/status/1141381597138182144
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Thank you Media For All 8 and Agnieszka Szarkowska for the invite. It was a blast! https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10211246580719623/
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And the next Media for All conference 2021 is going back home to Barcelona! @DTIEAO_UAB @TransmediaCat @anna_matamala @DianaJSanchez @JorgeDiazCintas @ESIST_official #m4a9
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A great honour and pleasure to work with this amazing team. The first meeting was succinct, efficient and inspiring. Looking forward to learning and contributing to the community https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10211239770789379/
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Proposed languages for #machinetranslation in #subtitling. Via Nicky McBride @SDIMediaGroup - MESA Panel #m4a8
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Impressive venue #m4a8 . Daunting if you have to be on the other side
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And you get elected for the ESIST board! Congrats @dorrego looking forward to working with you! https://twitter.com/dorrego/status/1140727047465197569
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Final leg to Stockholm but definitely not on my last legs #m4a8
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Collecting pics of #m4a8 participants heading to Stockholm? Here's one more. First leg: Patra-Athens (last leg will be tomorrow...)
Second leg: Athens-Thessaloniki. Working for a distance-learning university means that you get to see your students only at the final exams #HellenicOpenUniversity
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What does the US Congress and the round table on #AVT Localization at #m4a8 have in common? Discussions on certain issues
#deepfake
#teaser https://www.facebook.com/stavroula.sokoli/posts/10211219184594737 -
OK. I used to get ads by Booking, Skyscaner, Spanish courses, credit cards, health insurance etc. Now I've started seeing ads for gun licenses. Should I worry? #notacriminal #justasubtitler
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Don't miss the round table on AVT ;) https://www.tolk.su.se/english/media-for-all-8/programme/live-streaming
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A mí me huele a trabajo mal pagado. La condensación y la buena segmentación requieren tiempo. Si te pagan mal, haces lo mínimo posible para pasar rápido al siguiente encargo. Porque para llegar al final del mes tendrás que trabajar el doble o el triple. https://twitter.com/guillermosubs/status/1138792443497893889
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This course includes useful concepts for aspiring #subtitlers as well
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I didn't find what I was looking for in this article. Any other references on a) how to reduce the need for #pivot translation in #subtitling and b) how to improve #templates if they are absolutely necessary? I have some ideas, but there must be more out there. https://twitter.com/StavroulaSokoli/status/1138357598632271872
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Such a long list of articles to read. The one on pivot #templates in #subtitling is on top of my list, they have been troubling me of late. https://twitter.com/ATA_AVDivision/status/1137749247804301314
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The weird moment when you get to review the #subtitles of an old show, and the file rings a bell. And you dig around only to find it's yours. From 16 years ago 😱
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Best of luck to all the new nominees for the European Association for Studies in Screen Translation Board: Jing Han, Serenella Massidda, David Orrego Carmona, Irene Ranzato and possibly Emm Patiniotaki and... https://www.facebook.com/stavroula.sokoli/posts/10211195227595827
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The irony of reading about #flygskam when you're about to fly to Stockholm. Would have been very proud to go by train but it would also mean arriving at #m48a just in time for the final applause
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/flygskam-anti-flying-flight-shaming-sweden-greta-thornberg-environment-air-travel-train-brag-a8945196.html -
#ChernobylHBO director says they avoided #Russian #accents because "it could ultimately become comic-y". But could it be because Hollywood also associates Russian accents with other stereotypes ("the bad guy")? even in children's films, see #SecretLifeOfPets2 @pzabalbe https://twitter.com/trafilmproject/status/1137419697614442496
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Any subtitlers around who have to transliterate names when working into non-Latin alphabet languages? How do you deal with Spanish names like Mercedes that are pronounced /Merθedes/ and /Mersedes/ in the same show by different people? Consistency requires choosing one. But which?
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Excitement and a pleasure as always! Thanks for the invite @PEM_PAT https://twitter.com/PEM_PAT/status/1136647076383744000
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"Excelling in a particularly bite-sized form of story-telling" is also key to #subtitling. (Saw it in an ad for social media coordinators).
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A wave in Berlin #languagesmedia https://twitter.com/YotaGeorg/status/1136301114360553472
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In an interview, a French guy speaking English says "it's a deception, actually" but means dissappointment. #Subtitles by translators who can't detect the French false friend (why should they?), will not make sense. This would have been solved with a note in the #template
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"Journals and funders prefer novel research. There is no Nobel Prize for replication." Even if a low p-value is an invitation to reproduce the experiment, to help validate the result, that doesn't always happen.
Stumbled upon this while working on the subtitles of a documentary. And it's so true.
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Here I am, attacking the characters per second rule again. Some #subtitlers resort to abbreviations harder to read than full words. Pls use common sense, and refrain.
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#Translation in the age of data live now. #NMT #MT #MTPE https://livestream.com/accounts/13310590/events/8691912 https://livestream.com/accounts/13310590/events/8691912
Humans will be increasingly asked to translate the "untranslatable" as opposed to texts written to be translated.
Post-editing and translation as activities are not as sharply divided any longer
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The image I have of Canadians - built through watching lots of US #films and series - is that they are nice and friendly. And then I read about #Canada and race-based genocide.
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Am I the only one who considers LinkedIn as a professional network and not appreciates receiving contact requests from, say, "Summer Holidays", products and services not related to my professional activity?
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Am I the only one who considers LinkedIn as a professional network and not appreciates receiving contact requests from, say, "Summer Holidays", products and services not related to my professional activity?
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Meanwhile in the US, parents are urged to turn on television subtitles to improve their children’s literacy.
#subtitles #literacy #languagelearning
via @cnsmedia_tv
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Localization Project Manager - http://daycommerce.com https://www.daycommerce.com/localization-project-manager/
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ITV GE sees added #localization complexity in the form of #multilingual shows: “We’ve had a rise of multilingual shows. So not only #dubbing is into multiple languages, the original version is in multiple languages” @trafilmproject
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I can relate. When I was interviewing subtitlers for my thesis they seemed surprised: is a PhD on subtitling a thing? But that was 20 years ago. Thought things had changed. https://twitter.com/MereuKeating/status/1134485260002050048
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#DualSub, an intreesting tool for incorporating two sets of #subtitles in a single video. Anybody tried it? #mergingsubtitles
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Se puede rellenar páginas de otra forma más creativa :) https://twitter.com/pzabalbe/status/1133983975330996225
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Shoot. Eating rusks is really interferring with my #subtitle reviewing job
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How does a #subtitler write a PhD thesis?
Does research, writes results.
Gets feedback from supervisor "Too laconic. Needs to be explained".
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How does a #subtitler write emails?
Writes what she wants to communicate.
Re-reads and realizes this is so concise, it sounds rude.
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The power of #audiodescription
https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1133325269270294528 https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1133325269270294528 -
Any ideas? #localization @UweMuegge https://twitter.com/SeanPHopwood/status/1133450671057965063
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“Users don’t want the technology, they want the product”. Despite the headline, Systran CEO seems to advocate a shift of focus to the user indeed. #NMT @AnaGuerberof https://twitter.com/insideloc/status/1132954894976126976
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Siempre encantador y informativo, ahí va un nuevo episodio de the Translation Show http://bit.ly/TTSs04e03
*E informativo, jo....
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local, municipal, regional, european.
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This article would be pretty similar in Spain, with one big difference: the argument that #dubbing hinders language learning.
#subtitlingheadlines
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Rather than #subtitle the seemingly singularly British comedy, French producers wanted to faithfully recreate a Parisian version
RT @AComasQuinn https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/24/france-fleabag-mouche-phoebe-waller-bridge -
Very disappointing that @primevideo resorts to unedited machine translation to localise certain shows. Viewers do not appreciate it. Examples found in Spanish and in Greek but surely more languages are affected. #MT #subtitling @PrimeVideoES https://twitter.com/ATRAE_ORG/status/1131982050003755013
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"Everybody says they prefer the original version, but 90% of people in Germany like to watch dubbed films,”
Is it because of the fascist stereotype? Still strong, even though research shows they did not invent it (took advantage, yes). #dubbing #AVT https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1131956185391935488 -
The European Journal of Humour Research https://europeanjournalofhumour.org/index.php/ejhr/index
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Want to learn more about cloud subtitling, voice-over, eyetracking, respeaking, live subtitling and more?
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Hey @JATJournal when is the next issue coming out?
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Need help with inclusive language? Microsoft is here to help
https://www.kusi.com/microsofts-ideas-in-word-uses-artificial-intelligence-to-suggest-politically-correct-terminology-in-your-writing/ https://www.kusi.com/microsofts-ideas-in-word-uses-artificial-intelligence-to-suggest-politically-correct-terminology-in-your-writing/
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¡No te lo pierdas! https://lnkd.in/gVKKwgC
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¡No te lo pierdas!
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Esta semana se habla sobre #TAV empezando por preguntas "tontas" 😅 @Scheherezade_SL @doblajearias @insideloc @quicorb @cbtrad @b_ariasbadia @guillermosubs @D_Santilli @pzabalbe https://twitter.com/translationtalk/status/1130371479496007681
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Check out @translationtalk this week. The bearded guru of #AVT @JanPedersen1969 is behind the wheel and it's going to be a fun ride. (unless you vote for #dubbing in the poll LOL) https://twitter.com/translationtalk/status/1130358274656751621
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Dear students of paid online courses: You're paying for a tutor, but that doesn't mean you get to skip reading the (carefully written and 100-times tested) instructions and send a vague "I can't install the software". Have the courtesy and send a screenshot, at least.
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Lenguaje inclusivo en Netflix (min. 03:33). https://youtu.be/fAL5p-prBU0 via @YouTube
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This cry is just about positioning of subtitles, but it's good to know I'm not the only one who hates top-aligned subtitles. Why cover faces so as not to cover opening credits at the bottom of the screen? You can't read them anyway…https://lnkd.in/g2VUbgd https://lnkd.in/g79s5pf
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Wish I could be in three different places :)
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Nothing like reviewing the #subtitles of a scene full of suspense and having to stop every once in a while to check that comma... #SubtitlingIsNotWatchingFilms
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Watching http://vertice.cpd.ua.es/203088
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Clear and informative visualization.
Thanks @interpretaatioo https://www.wsj.com/graphics/boeing-max-tale-of-two-crashes/
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#NLPBuddy Open Source Text Analysis Tool
Text analysis is performed through http://spaCy.io NLP framework, supported languages are: Greek, English, German, Italian, French, Dutch, Spanish and Portoguese.
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Fika at work, fika for meeting, fika at #m4a8
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Pues, venga, a doblar. #NMT #doblaje #TAV https://twitter.com/_nonducorduco_/status/1128921238473248768
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Reading about #dracarys today (never watched #GoT) and wondering what all the #sicansíos fuss was about.
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Was there always such an ample offer of windowless hotel rooms in #Stockholm? #m4a8
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The Spanish Academy @RAEinforma recommends a simple & unidiomatic style in contexts where machine-translatable language is required (social media etc). Some Spanish linguists & #translators are worried over its effect on language. #NMT https://twitter.com/gabiortizvallee/status/1123259814384160771
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Bummer. This headline didn't make it in this morning's presentation @GouletiK https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/13/game-thrones-sicansios-language-translation
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Once again, a load of stereotypes on #dubbing vs #subtitling. Me parece que Andrea Martínez Celis no estará muy popular entre los profesionales del #doblaje #AVT #subtitlingheadlines https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/10/sicansios-game-of-thrones-accent-stumps-spanish-voice-actors
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Something's cooking in the Greek audiovisual translation landscape. Stay tuned #AVT https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10211036636071138/
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Το Εργαστήριο Μετάφρασης, Διερμηνείας και Επικοινωνίας του τομέα Μετάφρασης και Διαπολιτισμικών Σπουδών προσκαλεί τη Σταυρούλα Σοκόλη, δρα Μεταφρασεολογίας και επαγγελματία υποτιτλίστρια σε μια συνάντηση με θέμα την Οπτικοακουστική Μετάφραση και τις φορές που έφτασε να φιγουράρει στα πρωτοσέλιδα. #AVT #TICL
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Deleting hashtags does not delete ideas #AI #NLP https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1126814160111665152
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Formatted text looks cool in tweets but is not so good for #accessibility I've been told https://twitter.com/insideloc/status/1126776940260519937
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In a search for positive headlines on #AVT, found this 5-year old piece #subtitlingheadlines https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/07/08/inenglish/1404823791_229861.html
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To prepare a lecture titled "When #AVT hits the headlines" at the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, I just need to look at my tweet history. Thanks @GouletiK for the invite!
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Of course! As by doing anything in another language. The question is what games and what skills. https://theconversation.com/can-you-learn-a-language-playing-video-games-what-the-research-says-105760
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#Dubbing hits the German headlines too. Similar issues as in Spanish reports, e.g. actors having to work with no image (or just mouths visible) in #GoT. Same emphasis on actors as if the most important part of the process. Curious timing. #subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1126161111508713472
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Whenever I read about #NLP and #NMT and huge corporations, I end up feeling that whatever we write, #translate or #subtitle is just destined for those uses.
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https://slator.com/technology/at-f8-facebook-says-it-now-has-a-powerful-tool-to-think-about-language-problems-in-a-language-agnostic-way/ -
Some people say that soon programmers will not be needed #machinelearning
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#HBO Spain responds to viewers' complaints and corrects error in #GoT #dubbing (phonetically rendering "she can't see us" as #sicansios) #subtitlingheadlines https://twitter.com/StreamMaxES/status/1125397000126631936
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Handy for #m4a8 https://t.co/Q7q0kwRFs2
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Looks interesting https://twitter.com/bvazquezcalvo/status/1124362194865537026
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Hey experts in India. What is Aryavarta? Wikipedia says it's a land. Could it also be a community? @fxdurandy ?
It seems that they use it as a name for a fictional community
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A theoretical analysis of the importance of sound and image in films and the viewers' experience (#subtitles would definitely have helped!) https://www.facebook.com/stavroula.sokoli/posts/10210989123683358
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Interesting decisions on how to deal with third languages, dialects and accents @trafilmproject #L3AVT https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1123967268201947142
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Hay que recordar el buen trabajo https://twitter.com/ATRAE_ORG/status/784394097997942786
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#dubbing #AVTheadlines #sicansíos https://www.huffingtonpost.es/entry/patinazo-doblaje-juego-de-tronos_es_5cc9a576e4b0913d078b45c6
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An error in #dubbing hitting the headlines. Probable cause=bad #workflows. Experts guessing it was a last minute change in scene > no script + no image (anti-piracy measures) > dub team had to guess > came up with an unintelligible word (interpreted as Valyrian by some #L3AVT) https://twitter.com/Rozenrot/status/1123268107613671426
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Oh, come on! How are we supposed to know if a judge or sergeant is male or female when there's no clue? And then they appear in the next episode but we've already delivered the previous one and we got it all wrong? #DontShootTheSubtitler #templates
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#Subtitling skills, such as condensing and rephrasing for readability, are necessary in social media, where text is read as fast as subtitles (and rarely re-read). E.g. when trying to fit content on a LinkedIn post (1,300 chars) or to create self-contained tweets in threads
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Who said that #AVT academia and industry do not meet? Well done @JanPedersen1969 ! https://t.co/0bI3sFIsHn
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In my listening list (#VoiceAloudReader is my best friend lately) https://twitter.com/rtroncy/status/1121644256169349122
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Hilarious clip on #LiveSubtitling - When the 7% gone wrong is sometimes the most important stuff. https://youtu.be/ONWNWBoqTuM
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Regarding the cost of #subtitling, considered "high" by some filmakers/producers https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1121734967221018624
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A brief history of #subtitling
https://the-artifice.com/subtitling-cinema-history/
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"This year, #subtitles have been attracting more attention than usual." Tell us about it! @ataafr @Untertitelforum @ESIST_official https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/apr/25/say-what-why-film-translators-are-in-a-war-of-words-over-subtitles
#Roma #subtitles after-effect (not a new episode)
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How cool is this?
(assuming there is funding for their purchase)
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/24/health/lego-braille-bricks-scli-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/24/health/lego-braille-bricks-scli-intl/index.html -
So, @zoodigitalgroup, what are your plans for the goldmine of millions of subtitles? https://twitter.com/zoodigitalgroup/status/1121038246618832896
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I just found about this from a student proposing a language learning activity including films. Looks interesting. Anybody used it?. https://voicethread.com/
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#L3AVT @miquelpt @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/MrSeries/status/1120275942688133120
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Check out the latest developments on #AI for #Translation https://curiosity.com/topics/were-using-ai-to-translate-chicken-clucks-into-english-curiosity
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Dear non-Greek-speaking #translation project managers: Do not try to automatically convert #Greek uppercase to lowercase and vice versa. It does not work. Accents and final -s have to be changed. Talk to you Greek linguist, the conversion needs to be checked.
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Easter is properly celebrated only in Poland https://m.demotywatory.pl/4920791 https://m.demotywatory.pl/4920791
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Spanish dialogue: "I crap in the milk of the mother that gave birth to you". English #subtitling template: "For God's sake". Leches... https://elpais.com/elpais/2016/10/04/inenglish/1475591405_761807.html
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Excitement! And such a great honour. Thank you @PEM_PAT for the invitation https://twitter.com/PEM_PAT/status/1118572071863422976
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#bingesubtitling: when you subtitle one episode after another non-stop
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An Archive of Animations/Cartoons of Ancient Greece & Rome: From the 1920s Through Today http://www.openculture.com/?p=1062480 μέσω του χρήστη @openculture
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Μεταφραπέ το [metafrapé] (άκλ.): συνάντηση μεταφραστών για χαλαρή κουβεντούλα 😍 Marisa Syrelli
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"People can struggle with #subtitles because of the speed at which they appear." What do you expect with 17-20 characters per second? Quality subtitles are smooth and comfortable to read #Netflix http://mobile.easthamptonstar.com/Opinion/2019411/Film-Translation
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They invite you to speak about your favorite thing: Subtitling Spanish shows. Great. The other speaker at the event is one of the most famous writers/translators in Greece. Fantastic. Then you discover they've changed your well-thought title and already printed the program...
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If they really care about the "local voice", their #subtitling templates need to stop neutralizing every single cultural reference. Subtitlers who don't rely on the English template can recover the local flavor, but those who don't speak the original language are not able to https://twitter.com/ATA_AVDivision/status/1116449655829737472
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Why obliterate all Spanish cultural references in the English template used for pivot #subtitling? Why not let the subtitlers decide if Zara is known in their respective countries?
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Attending the webinar "eTranslation – the Machine Translation Tool Built by the European Commission for All Europeans"
The shift from SMT to NMT was finished in November 2018. It has tremendously improved according to the speaker
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In GOT’s case, research also shows that #subtitles help American viewers decipher and understand foreign accents. (RT @reelwordsedit ) https://theoutline.com/post/7299/game-of-thrones-subtitles-closed-captioning?zd=1&zi=m4cfflmt
@trafilmproject #L3AVT #MultilingualAVfiction
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Por muchos años que vivas en España, por mucho que leas, cierto léxico no lo podrás adquirir, a menos que pases por un centro penitenciario o que subtitules una serie tipo Vis a vis
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Thought #roma #subtitles conundrum was over? #romagate https://twitter.com/AVUE_eV/status/1116083630516912134
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Looks like a very useful tool. "#Juremy improves the quality of legal #translation by providing fast and accurate search on the EU legal corpus." https://juremy.com/search
It turned out to be completely useless each time I thought I needed it...
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More announcements on #NMTsubtitling at #NABSHOW2019: Deluxe’s collaboration with AWS's #AI #ML aiming at "a truly automated localization service for #subtitling, closed captioning & compliance that considers regional context & #transcreation requirements not currently possible" https://twitter.com/deluxe1915/status/1113837467482894337
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Estoy tan metida en esta serie española llena de tacos e insultos que en vez de hoja de ruta he leído hija de puta.
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Original dialogue: ¿Quieres que quedemos mañana para ver el Atleti?
English template: Do you want to watch the game tomorrow?
Guess what happens to the cultural reference in all the languages it's translated into.
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Natural Language Processing and Neural Machine Translation are going to play a big role in this evolutation
Evolutation? Seriously?
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Even in subtitling countries there is a big investment nn dubbing right now. Here's why:
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Dear filmmakers, is #subtitling still an afterthought for you? The @ataafr thinks it shouldn't be https://beta.ataa.fr/blog/article/filmmakers-and-translators-unite
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Are there #translation events where Machine Translation #MT is not discussed? I've been in a few, so it is possible, yes. But when talking about the present and future of the translation industry, it's probably inevitable. https://twitter.com/JanPedersen1969/status/1114081511345618944
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It's Gmail's 15th birthday today, and I just found out that my first gmail was exactly 14 years ago.
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AppTek promises "the first commercial application of document-level translation by utilizing context from previous #subtitles to generate #MT" resolving word agreement and gender. The also promise "subtitle segmentation based on semantic units". #NMTsubtitling https://twitter.com/michaelveronis/status/1113795598753390593
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I read academic articles and news on #subtitling and sometimes tweet notes on things I find interesting. Tidying up the desk doesn't take long enough to satisfy my procrastination needs. https://twitter.com/translationtalk/status/1113519958829334528
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I'm such a sucker for data visualization https://vimeo.com/willgeary/usarussiaarms
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I would love to see how #ΝΜΤ would deal with Trump's "oranges". I bet it would get it right (oranges are far from investigations). https://youtu.be/qUPsNgmXR7M
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Πάει το Punto. Ψάχνουμε μικρομεσαίο αμάξι. Αν ξέρετε καμιά ευκαιρία, πείτε.
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-What's your name?
-Stavroula.
-How do you pronounce it?
-Stavˈrula.
-Stravoula?
-No.
-Savroula?
-No.
-Savoula?
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Last few days immersed in #NMT & #subtitling, really appreciated @MikelForcada's article. Though "old" already, basic concepts are explained: distributed representations, word embeddings, vectors, layers, weights, encoder, decoder, attention #NMTsubtitling https://benjamins.com/catalog/ts.6.2.06for
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You know you're a #subtitler when...
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Let's help out with this interesting research on context in translation (phase 1) https://twitter.com/_SheilaCastilho/status/1110572994605318144
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At this stage, I need funding to learn more so that I can attract funding
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Apple Unveils Video Streaming Service Apple TV+
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/apple-unveils-video-streaming-service-apple-tv-at-star-studded-event-1196776 μέσω του χρήστη @thr
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In the US, speaking other languages may be seen as suspicious.
In many US blockbusters, the bad guy speaks another language or has a foreign accent.
Any correlation?
Trafilm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47587540 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47587540@trafilmproject
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Subtitlers nightmares are made of images like this:
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More info about #iatis2021 #translation #conference https://www.iatis.org/index.php/7th-conference-barcelona-2021 https://twitter.com/IATISorg/status/1108500563031781376
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I'd love to see what this partnering would look like.
ZOO: "willing to work with other vendors".
BTI Studios: "not averse to partnering with vendors and uniting efforts".
Nordisk: "we’re all working on the same things, so maybe we should talk more".#dubbing #subtitling https://twitter.com/zoodigitalgroup/status/1108773006120308737
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En la #audiodescripciòn de la Catedral del Mar, cada dos por tres aparecía uno "con el ceño fruncido". Y me preguntaba también si no hay otro sinónimo https://twitter.com/patrimbanqui/status/1108630138709819393
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Screenwriter talking about an idea and how he turned it into a script: "This is not a world I understand.... I ended up listening to lots of interviews and podcasts and watching old famous matches". Had to do exactly the same thing when #subtitling that film.
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#BrexitPetition #DatabaseOverload https://twitter.com/pixeltrix/status/1108673644660699136
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Dear creators of English #subtitle templates, when you work from languages which mark formality (tu/usted, tu/lei, tu/vous), pls help translators by adding a note to specify if the register is formal or informal. #PivotTranslation
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Hey subtitlers, what do you think of the shot change tyranny? I just read this comment on a file I'm working in and I loved it: "Extended to next shot change for improved readability". #subtitling
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I suppose the #games will be offered with lots of wholesome Google NMT (btw, I just love it when they use Greek names for products/services) #GoogleStadia https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/19/google-stadia-video-game-streaming-service
Is it me or this video promo is creepy? https://youtu.be/AffodEEF4ho
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More competition for Netflix and Amazon Prime Video. Penetration to international markets depends on new services' ability to localize content. Will they invest as much as Netflix?
#localization #dubbing #subtitles https://lnkd.in/gBdGP4x
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Love thiis #subtitle from #HowIMetYourMother. "So drunk...
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Has anybody studied / talked about the similarities in functions between Polish-type lektoring and audio description? @ASzarkowska
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Are #subtitlers aware that their work is not only used for making films accessible to viewers? But for Deep Learning too? As everything I suppose, including this tweet https://twitter.com/fertradav/status/1107553499171221504
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Experts say that by 2026 AI will be able to "translate speech in a new language given only unlimited films with #subtitles in the new language. Suppose the system has access to training data for other languages, of the kind used now >>
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.08807.pdf
>> (e.g., same text in two languages for many languages and films with #subtitles in many languages)."
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It's so refreshing when accents and other languages don't dissappear in #subtitles. #L3AVT @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/guillermosubs/status/1107314389852606464
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An example of #SDH #subtitling accents for humor. #L3AVT @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1107295776588259329
@guillermosubs, countless hours watching Noah Trevor just to get an example for the project. The sacrifices we researchers make
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Examples of multilingual AV products, their function and their #translation: Spanish in "Handy Manny" and "Dora the Explorer" #L3AVT #MultilingualAVfiction @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/JJMS72/status/1106892304600784896
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Even if we stop being called #translators or #subtitlers (because "this is what machines do"), humans will be needed in some part of the entertainment & communication process across languages & cultures (which today we call #film and AV content, tomorrow I don't know) https://twitter.com/fertradav/status/1106848988546953216
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Typical view of #translation “Future translators, as I envision, would be freed from the mechanical aspects of translation- the simple substitution of words or terms in another language, for example, which most find laborious,” @pzabalbe http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190311000528#cb
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Sometimes dialogues in other languages are not meant to be understood, they're there e.g. to "validate the Latino experience on screen" "If you use #subtitles all of a sudden we are outside, and we are not part of this world anymore" #MultilingualAVfiction #L3AVT @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/ATA_AVDivision/status/1101535258565066753
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Gracias @guillermosubs por recomendar mi cuenta al colectivo traductoril y espero poder estar a la altura 🙂 Tuiteo más bien sobre la teoría y la práctica de la #subtitulación y #TAV (en inglés) y me sirve para apuntar cosas de forma pública por si interesan a otros subtifreaks
Google dice que subtifreaks no existe. Subtifrikis tampoco.
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English expressions that creep me out: "pick your brains" and "peel your eyes".
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A must-read https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9783030049652
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Big trouble for the #dubbing studio... https://twitter.com/UPDATESB99/status/1104513682560765953
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How the adaptation of a cultural reference can get you into big trouble: tramps > Trump > Bolsonaro? #dubbing #subtitling #AVT https://www.thewrap.com/brooklyn-nine-nine-brazil-dialogue-mistranslated-support-president-jair-bolsonaro/
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Reminds you of #subtitling? "In comics, the text must be exactly as long as given, because speech bubbles cannot be changed. Translators used to get a template for each bubble with lines e.g. the first could only contain 15 letters, the second 20, etc. https://www.dw.com/en/donald-duck-and-the-art-of-cartoon-translation/a-47812686
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1838 #subtitles in a 110 minute film. Full of repetitions of "yes" "no" and "hey". I just wish we could change how #subtitling templates are made and let more room for the visuals. As it was done in the old days.
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Such a great read. And I need to rewatch #ThePrestige to notice the change in his accent @trafilmproject @pzabalbe @miquelpt #L3AVT RT @erik_hansson https://footeandfriendsonfilm.com/2019/03/04/10-tidbits-about-movie-accents/
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#FilmQuoteOfTheDay Just 'cause millions of people
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#trashtag challenge. Did our own without knowing about the trend. You are supposed to take a pic before and after your intervention. Hope it catches on. I'm challenging all FB friends!
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#CatchPhraseΟfΤheDay: cutting through the hype
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Πρόσκληση για την Εκδήλωση Ενδιαφέροντος Φοίτησης σε 6 Προπτυχιακά και 22 Μεταπτυχιακά Προγράμματα Σπουδών με Θεματικές Ενότητες Ετήσιας Διάρκειας στο Ελληνικό Ανοικτό Πανεπιστήμιο
https://dev.eap.gr/student-candidate/public#/ https://dev.eap.gr/student-candidate/public#/ -
Great working conditions = #subtitling awards https://twitter.com/ataafr/status/1105403192710516737
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Now we're all checking if our next flight is with a Boeing 737 Max 8 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1105258307424608256
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Celebrating diversity https://bbc.in/2TFjeyY
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CfP #InternationalConference on Cultural Transfers: #Translation and Identity representation in #Multilingual Texts - #Identitra #MultilingualAVfiction #L3AVT @trafilmproject https://www.ehu.eus/ehusfera/identitra/ https://twitter.com/pzabalbe/status/1105046034173046785
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CfP International Conference Open University #LMOOCs (Language MOOCs), language learning and teaching with #MOOCs; OER/ OEP for language learning and teaching; and MOOCs and student mobility http://www.mooc2move.eu/event.php?id=6
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VIDEO: If a man lived like a woman for a day... https://www.mamamia.com.au/video-if-a-man-lived-like-a-woman-for-a-day
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ΥΠΟΥΡΓΕΙΟ ΠΑΙΔΕΙΑΣ, ΕΡΕΥΝΑΣ & ΘΡΗΣΚΕΥΜΑΤΩΝ - 07-03-19 Τα κύρια σημεία αναπτυξιακής στρατηγικής για το Ελληνικό Ανοιχτό Πανεπιστήμιο ανακοίν https://www.minedu.gov.gr/news/40032-07-03-19-ta-kyria-simeia-anaptyksiakis-stratigikis-gia-to-elliniko-anoixto-panepistimio-anakoinose-o-ypourgos-kostas-gavroglou
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45 places you can download tens of thousands books, plays and other literary texts completely legally for free https://buff.ly/2TtCjUE
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Who said that pretty and successful women do not speak in stereotypes? 🤢"It'scollaborative, it’s emotional, it’s passionate, it’s instinctual. Those are all feminine qualities. " Seriously? https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1103282602822242304
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A colleague asked me about the difference between peninsular and Latin American Spanish. Combined with the diff constraints for #dubbing & #subtitling, we can have up to 4 renderings for the same phrase.
LatAm dub: "No olviden que ustedes son los creadores de su propio mérito."
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There are more and more multilingual films around. Not all directors explain their intent. #L3TAV #MultilingualAVfiction @trafilmproject https://twitter.com/ATA_AVDivision/status/1101535258565066753
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#Roma #subtitles episode 62: Complaints make the headlines, #Netflix reacts and corrects (some) errors in the French version. Who knows? Maybe they spot where the fault is in their #subtitling workflow and reconsider. https://twitter.com/ataafr/status/1102492131913027584
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#Subtitlers and #dubbers should be experts in #screenwriting techniques. Characters need to feel authentic, each one with their own manner of speech. Otherwise, we can't buy into the story and that detaches us. #Subtitling #AVT https://youtu.be/omF_1Ep7Sx0?t=305
I often speak my #subtitles out loud: how does it sound?
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If you can #subtitle this, you can do anything. More than 300 wpm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jEPuc3_UFA
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#Netflix declares "We need to change the way we think about #subtitles and closed captions. They are no longer secondary assets in a world where content knows no physical borders - for millions of our members, timed text files are primary assets" https://partnerhelp.netflixstudios.com/hc/en-us/articles/214969868-Why-are-Netflix-s-standards-for-Subtitles-and-Closed-Captions-so-high-
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The best way to spot typos is to present your powerpoint to a hundred people. Linguists preferably https://twitter.com/Z_Everson/status/1101182999712989184
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Apparently, there is a popular #Chinese #series about a girl who studies #French and dreams of becoming a professional #interpreter. It's the last one on this list about #translators in #films https://financial-translator.com/the-best-movies-featuring-translators-and-interpreters/
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Η Ευρωπαϊκή εμπειρία των Ανοικτών Πανεπιστημίων – Τι ισχύει τελικά; https://www.esos.gr/arthra/61363/i-eyropaiki-empeiria-ton-anoikton-panepistimion-ti-ishyei-telika?fbclid=IwAR1aR04HgtEoLRqbplVwrH31TWLXjN5nGz37b1US0FHMBGc0ac6qEogUPEI
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Speech in other languages, not meant to be understood by (most of) the audience, is a resource often used in #MultilingualAVfiction for #humour. #L3AVT @trafilmproject @pzabalbe @miquelpt @guillermosubs https://twitter.com/insideloc/status/1100012551885258752
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#Audiodescription #Oscars Even better, awards for all #AVT modes. #audiovisualtranslation #subtitling #dubbing #SDH #accessibility https://theconversation.com/oscars-audio-description-brings-film-to-life-for-blind-people-it-deserves-an-award-too-112247
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Oscars: audio description brings film to life for blind people, it deserves an award too https://theconversation.com/oscars-audio-description-brings-film-to-life-for-blind-people-it-deserves-an-award-too-112247
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It could be argued that these "international ideas" have been formed through the American dominance in the AV production world for the past decades. In any case the linguistic diversity in #Netflix is very satisfying for language nerds. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/opinion/sunday/netflix-oscars.html
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Love this quote: His priority was keeping the audience engaged with what was happening on screen: “If you have a viewer that’s too worried about reading the #subtitles they are going to stop reading the image.” http://remezcla.com/features/film/alfonso-cuaron-roma-interview-mixtec-subtitles/
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Se ve que Cuarón participó activamente en la #subtitulación de #Roma en inglés. Y luego atacó los #subtítulos en castellano peninsular. Aquí hay algo que no me cuadra. @ATRAE_ORG tienes alguna idea?
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The Media for All 8 Conference programme is out
https://lnkd.in/gKxwQWW #m4a8 #accessibility #AVT #audiovisualtranslation #fansubbing #fandubbing #conferences #subtitles #subtitling #dubbing #audiodescription
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Issues causing #redelivery in #subtitling: The use of ellipsis to mark a pause (how long a pause?) and starting the next sentence with uppercase or not. The use of #comma, as well: when it is a matter of personal preference, I'd rather see fewer commas in a subtitle than too many
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It's a date. Jolly good! https://twitter.com/JanPedersen1969/status/1098592273464549376
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"Soon we will refer to #NMT as simply #MT, just like we did for #SMT Neural approaches also introduce new problems for text generation tasks like #translation, for example, random output, misleading fluency, & catastrophic forgetting" https://twitter.com/slatornews/status/1098548477762654208
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#Roma, with all the simultaneous utterances, parallel conversations which are not plot pertinent, must be one of the hardest films for #subtitle spotting & cueing. I can't think of a better exercise for an advanced #subtitling course https://twitter.com/gilrose13/status/1098506366442979328
#m4a8avt
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#Subtitling of Soderbergh's films is closely monitored by his team. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2019/02/20/films/localization-101-release-steven-soderbergh-film-japan/
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Same language subtitles did not cause an uproar in Denmark as they did in Spain with Cuarón's #Roma #intralingualsubtitles https://theculturetrip.com/europe/denmark/articles/why-cinemas-put-danish-subtitles-on-danish-movies/
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Or write more about make-up artist dads. Or CEO dads. https://twitter.com/theagilmore/status/1097106918315835392
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Italics for ship names in #subtitles or not? Uppercase for all forced narratives or depending on principal photography? Quotation marks for third languages? Transliterate or not? Different answers in different client guidelines drive #subtitlers crazy, have to check everytime.
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I have so many research questions for #Netflix, I wonder if I could use my #GDPR right of access to get some answers https://twitter.com/mikarv/status/1095110948908662784
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#Subtitling third languages in #films: #Subtitlers working with templates face additional challenges when dealing with e.g. Native Indian spoken in original. And get one English translation in the burnt-in subs & another in the template. Which to choose? #L3AVT @trafilmproject
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We are looking for an experienced editor in premiere with extensive knowledge in subtitling and video formats. Please send CVs to bisdas@authorwave.com
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A sample of excellent #lipsync #dubbing https://youtu.be/066WAeG5muE
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Celebrating the #GreekLanguageDay with a couple of famous words: μεράκι & φιλότιμο /https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/02/09/edit-publish-tomorrow-february-9-is-international-greek-language-day/ https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/02/09/edit-publish-tomorrow-february-9-is-international-greek-language-day/
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Disability-themed emojis approved for use https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47144091
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A question for #subtitlers out there. When the dialogues include made-up, complicated words, and you want to be creative as well, do you ever stop to think that your viewer only has some (milli)seconds to get the word? It's an internal battle, so I'd appreciate other views
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Slator readers prefer #subtitling over #dubbing (140 respondents). And they don't trust #Translation earpieces - overpromising, underperforming gizmos https://slator.com/features/reader-polls-sub-or-dub-2019-outlook-translation-earpieces-us-shutdown/
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Interesting use of the term "semiprofessional" #subtitling #AVT #localizationtools https://www.nimdzi.com/multimedia-localization-technology-part-one/
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En los subtítulos también https://twitter.com/RAEinforma/status/1092680253271617537
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Inclusión, diversidad, visibilidad https://twitter.com/La1_tve/status/1091822598646685696
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Ojalá haya más de esto https://twitter.com/PremiosGoya/status/1091822737121656832
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Hi @JanPedersen1969! My fantastic student @CarbonellJulia is analysing cultural references in the #dubbing a sitcom. Where can she find your best classification of cultural refs?
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Siempre un placer impartir talleres de #subtitulación en @bsm_upf. El nivel de los estudiantes es muy alto, son muy aplicados y lo absorben todo como esponjas ¡Me encanta!
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Evolution of spotting. #Subtitles never appeared before utterances, now more&more. Priority of visual (shot changes) over verbal (used to be opposite?) And of course reading speeds: short and complex takes more time to read than simple but longer? https://twitter.com/JanPedersen1969/status/1087623914522624001
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#Translation is in the ninth place. Wow. https://business.linkedin.com/talent-solutions/blog/trends-and-research/2018/the-most-in-demand-hard-and-soft-skills-of-2018
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Wonderfully put. As discussed with @interpretaatioo in #Patra https://twitter.com/Jeromobot/status/1088489729463508992
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Top 5 skills for tomorrow's jobs: active listening, speaking, critical thinking, reading comprehension, monitoring https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/humans-wanted-why-automation-wont-kill-off-your-job/
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Gracias al debate sobre #Roma #subtitles, se habla de la #TAV en la RNE. Lo de Roma sale sobre 12:30 https://twitter.com/tradureyes/status/1087359011706556417
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Aren't documentaries wonderful to time and to translate? Beautiful shot changes, structured speech... #Subtitling heaven
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#AVT in #FLL is a pretty hot topic in Spain these days. Seems the timing of the study results was quite opportune https://verne.elpais.com/verne/2019/01/16/articulo/1547661366_055734.html
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Writing in Italics and bold does not work well with assistive technologies like text-to-speech for the #blind and partially sighted (or other apps for that matter) #accessibility https://twitter.com/kentcdodds/status/1083073242330361856
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It seems that some Italians find the use of the #Neapolitan dialect in #MyBrilliantFriend great in its authenticity, others find it too cumbersome and unnecessary as it does not reflect the language of the book https://twitter.com/dorrego/status/1085565536442945536
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#Roma #subtitles aftermath. Time to attack film titles. Not the translator's job. It's the distributor who decides, hence different decisions in different countries https://verne.elpais.com/verne/2019/01/15/mexico/1547520514_173827.amp.html
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Dedicado a mis alumnos https://twitter.com/LaResistencia/status/1085121917223354370
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An interesting approach to the study of #AVT in #FLL
"TV or not TV? The impact of #subtitling on english skills"
@clipflair @pzabalbe https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268118303494 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268118303494#FLLFound thanks to @tradumila https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/15/actualidad/1547548788_592265.html
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Celebrando la variación lingüística. A pesar de la gran cantidad de palabras desconocidas, la se pueden puede sacar por el contexto. #Roma #subtitles https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/13/actualidad/1547408645_366557.html
*se pueden
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Discussing different client guidelines regarding profanity in #subtitling with a colleague. She is the sweetest, kindest lady. Our exchange on how to render motherfucker and cock felt a bit weird. But writing those uncensored subs feels natural. A matter of addressee, I guess
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Spent past few days #subtitling a science fiction film with a disconcerting ending. Today reviewing a horror film. Wondering if there other jobs where you jump off your seat shit-scared.
Yay! I found a way to survive this (my normal anti-scare strategy of turning off the sound cannot be applied here). Watch the film in double speed, and the terror becomes comedy 😀
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How many disabled actors do we see in films? https://www.facebook.com/1812241722/posts/10210408426566293/
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#Subtitlers in the foreground. One of the good things about the #Roma #subtitles saga, even though some are sick and tired of the debate https://twitter.com/andreapeal/status/1084379215254953984
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“¿Quién dice que es mejor atasco que trancón?” https://elpais.com/cultura/2019/01/11/actualidad/1547235309_319754.html @elpais_cultura
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RNIB has announced that the International Accessible Media Conference will be held in London UK, on May 23, 2019! Check it out:
https://www.rnib.org.uk/practical-help/home-and-leisure/television-radio-and-film/news/accessible-media-conference https://www.rnib.org.uk/practical-help/home-and-leisure/television-radio-and-film/news/accessible-media-conference
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#Roma #subtitles Here are some English examples for you, The last one with the Scottish farmer is precious @DianaJSanchez @YotaGeorg https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46822379
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Sigue la saga #Roma #subtítulos https://www.europapress.es/cultura/cine-00128/noticia-netflix-cambia-subtitulos-roma-espanol-20190110131709.html
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Interesting comments on #Roma #subtitles (hot topic since yesterday), mixing colonialism, linguistic diversity, comparing apples with oranges, missing important factors Always fascinating when #subtitling hits the news. And #Netflix knows how to disrupt. https://twitter.com/OscarCurros/status/1082985652294217734
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#Audiodescription enhances enjoyment for the #blind and #partiallysighted, especially in social settings. Via RNIB https://caneadventures.blog/2019/01/04/painting-a-picture-with-words/
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"Two conference #interpreters find out that only one person is listening to their channel". Happens in real life more often than one might think https://vimeo.com/309900652
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Conducting simulations like blindfolding among the abled can actually lead them to greater negative bias towards blindness... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jan/08/bird-box-challenge-why-blindfolding-yourself-and-walking-into-walls-is-even-more-stupid-than-it-sounds
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@alain_invasion @gaboifuentes @AdanTrad Here's one of the courses. I haven't taken it but I can vouch for the trainer and the organizers. @Sere_Massidda can give you more details https://www.roehampton.ac.uk/professional-development-courses/videogame-localisation/
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#Bandersnatch with #audiodescription is great. But you can't make any decisions. Is there a way for the #blind to experience #interactive shows?
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This is my personality on twitter. Not much fun or interested in pleasures. But I knew that, I use this channel for notes on my profession (which might be of interest to others). And to show off as much a possible, of course. Analysis done with: https://personality-insights-demo.ng.bluemix.net
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To generate its #descriptive #metadata, Gracenote relies on a balance of expert data scientists, editorial teams and advanced #MachineLearning technologies to describe #TVshows and #movies from every possible perspective. https://twitter.com/MesaEurope/status/1080852671345631234
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How about some #Greek #translation for #games? It would surely increase sales. Greece it's a bigger market than one might think https://twitter.com/MesaEurope/status/1080851555467911169
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Here's a little something for #linguists. My favorite is analcyst https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7e8a38b2-3836-4c41-b385-6208410ac656
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Planning for the new rule is being hampered by a lack of clarity over whether it relates to number of hours, episodes, or some other metric. https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/european-content-quota-streaming-service-finalized-end-2019-1203094034/amp/